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|  PHILIP MANTLE, vous êtes l’ancien directeur des enquêtes du BUFORA (British UFO Research Organisation). Pour les Français qui ne le savent pas, pouvez-vous nous dire quel est votre parcours et qu’est-ce qui vous prédestinez dans votre parcours personnel et professionnel à faire ce type de recherches ? P.M : Depuis mon plus jeune âge, j’ai toujours été intéressé par les choses dites "paranormales". À l’âge de 19 ans, je visitais une partie du pays près de Warminster dans le Wiltshire, quand j’ai lu un ouvrage qui parlait de cette ville qui avait été la scène de nombreuses observations d’OVNI dans les années soixante. Comme je n'en étais pas très loin, je décidais de m’y rendre par simple curiosité. Je garais ma voiture sur une colline connue sous le nom de Cradle Hill, et de cet endroit, j’ai observé des "lumières étranges". Rétrospectivement, celles-ci pouvaient provenir de fusées militaires car Warminster est le site d’un camp militaire. L’ouvrage mentionnait également le BUFORA avec lequel je pris contact, espérant qu’ils puissent répondre à mes questions. Naturellement, ils ne le pouvaient pas. Mais j’étais pris au jeu. J’ai donc voulu apprendre tous ce que je pouvais sur le phénomène OVNI et cela fait maintenant presque trente ans. J’ai rejoint le BUFORA peu de temps après, ainsi qu’un autre groupe ufologique de la région du Yorkshire, le YUFOS (Yorkshire UFO Society). Je reste toujours un membre honorifique du BUFORA mais n’ai plus de contact avec le YUFOS. En 1993, vous êtes le premier ufologue à qui Ray Santilli parle du fameux film de « l’Autopsie de la créature de Roswell ». Quel souvenir gardez-vous de lui ? P.M : Ray Santilli me téléphona à propos de son histoire extraordinaire. À ce jour, j’en avais déjà entendu un certain nombre de la part de personnes revendicant toutes sortes de choses. Même si pour la plupart, ce n’était que le pur produit de leur imagination. C’est la raison pour laquelle, je suspectais Ray Santilli d’être l’une de ces personnes avec une histoire fascinante à raconter mais sans rien pour la soutenir. En fait, je lui ai dit à de nombreuses occasions que je ne le croyais pas. Pour preuve, il n’a pas montré le moindre film à quiconque pendant près de 18 mois. J’ai pu voir le film et avoir ainsi la preuve qu’il existait (et que ce n’était pas seulement un autre récit fantastique), une fois que les tractations concernant les droits de diffusions furent terminées. Pour être tout à fait honnête, j’ai apprécié Ray Santilli car il est un homme très agréable. Il est sociable et accessible et je l’apprécie toujours à l’heure actuelle. Pour toutes les personnes qui voudraient en savoir plus sur ma collaboration avec lui concernant "l’autopsie de l’Alien", je les renvoie à mon nouvel ouvrage ALIEN AUTOPSY INQUEST, qui est disponible sur Amazon.com ou par le biais de mon site Internet. En 1998, vous décidez de vous retirer de l’ufologie. Pouvez-vous nous dire pour quelles raisons ? P.M : C’était essentiellement pour des raisons personnelles et familiales. En effet, j’étais le père de deux petites filles et j’étais le mari d’une femme exigeante (qui est maintenant mon ex-épouse). Mes obligations étaient devenues trop lourdes, aussi j’ai dû prendre un peu de recul. Concernant les OVNI, pouvez-vous nous dire s’il y a eu des observations durant ces derniers mois en Angleterre ? P.M : Pour être honnête, c’est le calme plat actuellement en Angleterre. Il y a eu seulement des cas d’observations qui étaient seulement dus à des ballons lumineux que l’on pouvait trouver en vente sur Internet. En effet, cela avait de quoi surprendre les gens, quand ils les observaient en pleine nuit. Certains les ont même filmés. Mais ce ne sont que des ballons et il n’y a rien de plus à en dire. Quelle est votre réaction à cette fameuse mise sur Internet d’une partie des « archives officielles » françaises, d’observations sur les OVNI entre 1988 et 2006 ? P.M : Je dois être honnête et franc avec vous, je sais très peu de choses, aussi je préférerais ne faire aucun commentaire à ce sujet. La seule chose que je peux dire, c’est que la publication de dossiers officiels ne peut être qu’une bonne chose pour la recherche. Notre Ministère de la Défense au Royaume-Uni est en train de faire quelque chose de similaire. J’espère seulement que cela apportera un peu de lumière sur ce phénomène mystérieux qu’est les OVNI. Interview faite par Internet. ______________________________ Veuillez svp respecter le forum en postant des messages sérieux et constructifs sans SMS. Merci à l'avance et bonne recherche.
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| crosssmall.jpg flyingcrossMirror.jpg Above: The sighting was reported on the front page of The Times on 1967 October 25. The Daily Mirror knew what it was, though (right). Click on images for enlargements. DEVON ‘FLYING CROSS’ OF 1967 REVISITED
British UFOlogists still recall the famous Devon ‘flying cross’ case of 1967 October 24 in which two police constables, Roger Willey and Clifford Waycott, chased an apparent UFO in their police car along country lanes at up to 90 mile/h in the early hours of the morning. “It looked like a star-spangled cross radiating points of light from all angles,” Constable Willey told the press. “It was travelling about tree-top height over wooded countryside near Holsworthy, Devon. We drove towards it and it moved away. It then led us on a chase as if it was playing a game with us.”
Howard Miles of the British Astronomical Association (BAA) looked into this case but never published any results, so I have sought his recollections to put on the record. He is currently retired and living in Cornwall, but at the time he taught at a technical college in Coventry. He ran the BAA’s artificial satellite section and UFO cases sometimes came his way. In this case it wasn’t difficult for him (and others, including the science correspondent of the Daily Mirror, Arthur Smith – see cutting above right) to recognize that the ‘flying cross’ was a classic sighting of Venus, which was particularly bright in the dawn sky at the time. In response to my request, in 2000 August Howard emailed me with the following information on his involvement with the case (apologies to those UFO believers whom it may offend):
“I did not carry out any astronomical observations on this event as it was purely in [the] field of the nutters. I became involved because the TV station at Plymouth phoned me up when I was living in Coventry and asked me to appear on a programme that particular evening. I was late in arriving at Plymouth and the producer met me at the Station. On the way to the studio he outlined what was involved and said that I would interview a UFO supporter who was described as a bit weird and then two policemen who had witnessed the event from their patrol car.
“The UFO chap was a prize nutter and knew no astronomy. He was completely confused about the positions of the planets and I came out with a sentence which is frequently quoted to me “For God’s sake talk a bit of ruddy sense.” The camera crew roared their heads off and after the programme the producer congratulated me in the way I handled him.
“The two pcs were completely different and accepted completely my explanation of the apparent motions of Venus as being due to travelling along a bending road. [Ian’s note: This was also the conclusion of MoD investigators.]
“I explained all the usual optical illusions that arise when a very bright object is seen in the sky and the idea that it must be near if it is very bright. They seemed quite satisfied.
“That was my sole contribution to the episode. I did not wish to become involved with the UFO organisations as I had enough to do with the satellite work. These organisations were a pain throughout my years as satellite director. In the end I used to say that UFOs were outside the terms of reference of the BAA and hence could not comment. It usually shut them up.”
The case attracted a fair bit of publicity at the time because of the two policemen involved but even those familiar with the case may not have known of Howard Miles’s involvement.
In early 2004 BBC Devon reinterviewed constables Waycott and Willey, both now retired, about the events of that October night. “Nobody can explain exactly what it was,” said Willey. “No explanation has been given to us by anybody,” agreed Waycott. Evidently the policemen, and BBC Devon, had forgotten that they had been given the answer in the BBC’s own Plymouth studios back in 1967.
The Devon police case was the most high-profile sighting in a countrywide UFO flap that occurred during 1967 October. Among other cases in that month was the sighting of another bright, cross-shaped object by PCs in Cheshire three days after the Devon report. Click for more on the October 1967 UFO flap.
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| How UFO sighting baffled X-Files team Roger Willey and Clifford Waycott Roger Willey and Clifford Waycott have never been given an explanation about what they saw This is the strange tale of a UFO sighting which was reported by two Devon policemen and placed in Britain's X-Files. More than 35 years on, there's still no explanation as to what it was that the two officers saw in the sky above West Devon that October night... SEE ALSO
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The BBC is not responsible for the content of external websites. PRINT THIS PAGE View print friendly version of this page.. get in contact You're driving along a country lane in rural Devon when all of a sudden something appears in the skies above you.
It's a series of bright lights arranged in the shape of a cross - and you've never seen anything like it before.
It's not an aircraft, and it's definitely not the stars. It must be a UFO.
Far fetched? Try telling that to retired policemen Roger Willey and Clifford Waycott, because this is exactly what happened to them one weird October night back in 1967.
They reported the sighting, and were amazed to receive a visit from a team of investigators from the Ministry of Defence.
Their report was then stored away in Britain's very own X-Files, deep in the MoD's vaults in London.
There, the report has remained - together with almost 200 other UFO files. All of them are now set to be released for the very first time in 2005 as a result of the Freedom of Information Act.
Follow that UFO...
Sgt Roger Willey and Pc Clifford Waycott were on their way back to their police station when they were diverted to an investigation which they've never been able to solve.
This time, it wasn't criminals they were chasing - it was a UFO!
Roger Willey Roger Willey Thirty-seven years on, and the sighting is still vivid in Roger's memory: "We were making our way back between Holsworthy and Hatherleigh when we saw this unusual bright white light in the sky.
"We both registered that we'd seen something. It was something we couldn't logically account for.
"It was something that I hadn't seen before; I haven't seen since; and something that nobody can explain exactly what it was."
The two officers 'followed' the UFO before returning to the station.
Like Roger, Clifford also recalls the evening as though it was yesterday: "My view of it was that it was moving slowly.
"It wasn't a star. It was bright - it was white. If you look at glass which has got rain on, it was the same sort of inference. It was a splash. It was just too...eerie."
Clifford Waycott Clifford Waycott The incident was reported on the national BBC TV news bulletins, but Clifford says the powers that be wanted the sighting 'hushed up.'
"We were visited by a boffin from the MoD who told us that we were still officers under the Official Secrets Acts and they would rather we kept it to ourselves."
Back then, a number of debates were raging about the UFO sightings in Britain. Could it be the Soviet Union spying on us? Were the UFOs further evidence of life in outer space? Or were people just seeing things?
The Government was concerned enough to keep the X-Files under lock and key. But in 2000, some of the files started to be released and next year, in 2005, they'll all be made available to the public.
The Government has wound down its investigations with the conclusion that there's no hard evidence about UFO existence...but the MoD emphasises it still has an open mind.
Roger and Clifford, meanwhile, say they didn't imagine their sighting and they're still waiting for a logical explanation.
"No explanation has been given to us by anybody and we haven't asked," said Cifford.
"We've just gently been asked to sweep it under the carpet. It didn't happen - that's what they said. But we know what we saw."
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